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On Tracing . . .

Thu May 15, 2008, 10:22 AM
  • Mood: Relief
  • Listening to: The Radio
  • Reading: Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere
  • Watching: Blood +
  • Playing: Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
  • Eating: Bacon and eggs
  • Drinking: Root Beer
Bratkitty

Why do people do it? I'm not talking about referencing a piece of art, but full on tracing line for line another piece of work.

It really irks me when people post traces here and play them off as their own, and it irritates me even more that DA condones it. Is the idea of creativity on this site dead?

Furthermore, why do people think that tracing helps them learn? This baffles me, how does it help you learn to draw? What does it teach you about line, proportion, composition, color, or for that matter creativity if you're just playing human xerox machine? I think a lot of people are cheating themselves creatively and not using their abilities to their full potential by doing this. One thing that I think tracing robs people of more than anything else is the use of their own judgment. That's every bit as important to learning how to create art as technique. You have to learn how to use your instincts and know why there's something wrong with a picture on your own, and that's something a lot of people on this site lack. That's why people don't know how to take criticism. They don't know what to make of it. The only thing they know is from the artist which they traced.

I'm not talking about people who copy or emulate a work to learn the techniques another artist used. Hell, I've done that. I'm sure a lot of people have. Sometimes it takes trying on something new to see how it fits. It's helpful for developing your own style. But it's still different from tracing.

I think people want to believe they can learn by tracing because they're afraid to make mistakes. But they don't realize that falling down is part of the process of learning how to learn to walk. Which feeds more into my theory on taking criticism.

That's why it irritates me that DA condones tracing here. They're not doing anyone any favors including themselves. It just ends up with a watered down art community playing to the lowest common denominator giving this place a bad reputation for having weeaboos and bad art.

To me, this place is only as good as you make it. I like the people who I watch and who watch me. I this circle, I think it's a pretty good community. But DA itself has kind of gone downhill. As much as I like the site itself, I think the mods have made themselves into a joke. I've tried to defend them from people who seem to be bitching for bitching's sake out of fairness, really. But their policy on tracing really irks me. And no one takes them seriously because of it.

This rant/commentary was inspired by a certain "artist" on this site. I won't name who because I don't really feel like being attached to some stupid flame war, but I'll give you a hint: He was on the popular page constantly for vectoring screencaps of various anime. He recently took his work down because of flaming.

He blocked me for critiquing him and telling him he should try to do something more original. He then hid my comments and flagged them as spam. (keep in mind I wasn't flaming) And yet he gets fan tards claiming people like me are just "jellus" (no, really) because he gets more page views than the rest of us.

It's crap like that that proves my point.


On a happier note, I finished the last of my finals today. I'm in a really good mood actually. I'll probably be posting more stuff here now that I have the time.

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Gah! I love Neverwhere! Neil Gaimon's my second favorite author (Terry Pratchett's my favorite. Have you read Good Omens?)

And I agree with your sentiment on copying. I may suck at drawing, but tracing seems almost like cheating.

Cheating yourself and others. Yourself out of improving your art through real practice, and everyone else who thinks the art is your own, and the true artist who's creativity you've stolen (at least if you didn't credit them).

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"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." - Terry Pratchett
u.u; I'm probably someone you'll think of badly then. I would never use something I'd traced as my own work to post on dA as something of my *own*, but I have used a combination of tracing and free handing for practice. What I've done a few times is print out peoples' work, set up my art box, and trying redrawing/tracing from the the basics up. For instance, once I was using this method to better understand a 3/4 profile of the head/face. I worked with the oval first, graphed out proportion lines, and then started to draw in the details. I did this a couple times to try to better understand where the lines and shapes should be, and then tried free handing it several times from the ground up, so to speak, and compared them to the original as well as the traced ones. I don't know if this is considered under your definition as cheating. I suppose it does, but I found it a very helpful way to learn and better understand the relation and proportion of some features compared to each other.

I'm really sorry that you had that bad experience. :s
See, you're still breaking it down into shapes and figuring out lines and basically used someone else's work as a layover. To me that's more referencing than tracing. You're still using shapes and guidelines to exercise your own judgment. I can understand that. And as you said, you don't post it online claiming it as yours.

I'm talking people who trace line for line and don't break from it, or even try using the shape and quideline method.

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I have never read Terry Pratchett, but I have friends who love his stuff.

Yeah cheating is a good way to put it. My biggest problem with it is you don't learn how to deal with failure when you try to draw something and it doesn't turn out right. Getting it wrong is part of the learning process.

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... oh sweet baby Jesus thank you for this. Its perfect. PERFECT.

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I dunno. I mean, I've tried the shape and guideline thing, and although... it might help you to better understand that maybe the shape you think you see isn't the one that's actually on the paper, I don't think it'll necessarily help you to understand the way the shape is, especially the relation and proportion. At least, not unless you're trying to break it down into simpler shapes first. I think when you're little it's okay to use that method, but... once you're serious enough about art to be posting it online you probably should have graduated beyond that stage. Tracing doesn't take talent or skill or even much thought. It says to me someone's in it for the "glory" and not for the personal accomplishment/growth.
Yeah, I don't really know what people "get" out of it. Yeah if you're serious about it, you should be doing everything you can to be able to stand on your own. When I started taking drawing classes in college, it basically assumed that no one in the class knew how to draw and the first thing they teach is to draw what you actually see and not what you think you see. And when I come across people who seriously want to learn how to draw, I really don't think it can be stressed enough how important that skill is.
Drawing is basically a perception skill, you have to train your eyes to be able to see shapes, forms, shadows, colors, ect that you normally wouldn't pay much mind to otherwise. And granted it is hard to do at first, once you learn how to do that tracing pretty much becomes obsolete.

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Reality is photoshopped.
I would like to recommend you the book Good Omens, it's a collaboration between Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaimon. Very rich, very funny.

But although getting it wrong is part of the learning process, it can be good to trace sometimes for practicing the canon of the head and such in consequence with working on basic skills. As long as you recognize that the work is not your own and don't claim it as such it can be quite helpful in learning new styles

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"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." - Terry Pratchett

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